Thx very much :)

didn't know that till yet.

fixed the mapname -there are no longer any capital letters in it. Also the zip file...

with best regarts lcf

Thank you very much.

I hope there're much more people from Q3 that like those stuff.
At the moment I'm think of a little failure:
the lowest plattform in Q3 is a little larger so that nobody can fall between the bridge an that plattform. The Reason there for is that some players try to shorten up their way across that bridge and it's more easier that way.
I'll fix it hopefully at the weekend.

hm, ok you're right in that point and I understand your opinion and respect that. This map is more an aproximation to the original. In a philosophical sight of view this is a must, at least there will never be a perfect copy of anything. I understand this piece of work as a momentary part in a stuggle of trying. Didn't do this for a rate but to make people think and reflect their ideas about it.

I guess you mean the small size of the platforms, the place of the chaingun, the concrete walls, the alternated item placement and the border around each toplevel platform. I'm sorry for that. I'm also sry sauer is much fast than quake and the player has the ability to keep moving while jumping. This is the first release for sauer I ever did, I tried to make a playable map in a short amount of time with the intention to make it most q3 likly while keeping in mind that sauer is a different game. Coming back to the philosophical point; I would say: I tried to give the feeling of q3DM17 not q3DM17. Of cause there are changes and fortunately the graficly design improved copared to q3. In my eyes you did it wrong, when you compared the level to q3 (that was done from professionals who get paid) while comparing the design with other sauermaps (that are done from very talented artist with much more knowledge for sure). I consist you should do it the other way, it would be fair to do that :) Just see the grafic in relation to q3 and the gameplay to the other maps ;)

nice idea, even tough not original.

could u plz explain "i tried to give the feeling of q3DM17 not q3DM17"?

further, yes q3dm17 of quake3arena was made by proffesionals, but i hope u agree that they used a different program to create it.
also, if u keep practicing and keep trying 2 get more knownledge about mapping, im sure u will be on one day same as good as those very talented artists ;) (i hope i will be one day 2 :P).

anyways, keep going like this!

First of all: Thx for your question and interest in this. I w'll try to answer it and explain my thoughts.
could u plz explain "i tried to give the feeling of q3DM17 not q3DM17"?

Of cause: We loved Quake 3 but as time did go on those experiances got rare. Three month ago the last member of our gaming club was finally convinced that the poor grafic sucks in a amount that reduces the intensity of the hole game to nearly zero. To shorten it up: There will never be a real 1:1 copy of that level without beeing exactly the original. There are way to many diffences in the engines -exspecially in the physics. I'm not able and even willing to code a new engine that seems to be q3 with a fresher look. Also there is no need for me to do a 1:1 level with fresh texturing, just for the case that would be possible -but it isn't with sauer engine. Caused by diffent physics that will never feel exactly how the original (jumppads for example, jumping, playerspeed etc). Therefor I'm unable to give you q3DM17.
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Instead I aim for a easier target: Bringing some q3 like fun in sauer by giving the player the ability to simulate those old times. Also I like the genius layout of q3 maps (they may not be very complex but they have a great flow). I got this idea when we found out that viruz already did a map release of dm17 for sauer and tried it.

I'm no artist and I don't wanna be. I have no time for real passion in map editing. This map is no art-work or genius inspiration at all -it's a functional answer to a question. The grafic is as good as it must be to give the feeling of living in 2009 (or maybe more like 2007) but not before 2001. The gameplay and geometrie is as good as I could do it. And every comment that gives the possibility of making it even better is the greatest honoration for me at all.
Most of those artwork maps will never work in Multiplayer without any fps lacks. They weren't made for this and everybody would agree it would not be fair to compare them to those maps that were build just for beeing perfectly multiplayable by the price of low grafics.

u know some w00p member called Drezil, made a q3dm17 to (even tough his version got much less quality then urs, but his was way much earlier :P)?

of course i can, but is it k to send it by email?
because its not mines and i wouldnt like 2 get trouble with w00p :P (w00p clanlogo is added into the map).
dont expect to much of the map made by that w00p member, its very outdated :P.

(so can i have ur email addres plz?)

-lcf-@web.de