someone else once asked yves allaire if some of the textures can be used to use (probably nieb did for nevil_c). however, not all textures were used into nevil_c, so maybe thats why those werent included in any release. thats why i wanted to put them all back togehter and give all a nice shiny look (wich is very natural when it comes to the steel textures).

the license inside "evil_textures" folder are exactly the same, but then a little compressed, to the textures that yves allaire is giving. because both texture packs (those of yves allaire's texture pack and the textures that are in the "evil_textures" folder) share the same license, it would be enough to get permission of yves allaire to add normal- and heightmap (after all even the textures in "evil_textures" folder are still his textures). So i did and see here the result.
ive changed the license just a bit, to make it more fitting to cube engine 2 and combined to license together, so yves license wouldnt be broken, but mines neither...
so there is no problem with licenses at all.

? sorry what do you mean windecker?

I mean the eX Texture pack, just like you did the E7 and E6 packs.

eX

ah yes, now i get what you mean. ill give a try, but they will take some time before im done with them.

btw, to every one on quadropolis, please vote on the texture packs (but take a fair vote)!

but i hope you have noticed that i got permission of yves allaire to in a certain way, copying and modifying the textures (even tough of course only adding normal- and heightmaps). This takes ND away for me...
All texture packs that ive putted on quadropolis, arent for commercial purposes. I actually dont get how you get that idea :S. Please tell me how?

P.S.
When your searching a license, try the readme file :P.

Getting permission to repack them does NOT remove the -ND clause of the license, you need to keep that intact. You've merely been granted permission to change the file format, nothing more.

Open source licenses can be open to commercial usage of the works (eg. ZLIB, CC[-BY][-SA]), and Red Eclipse will not use any content that has a non-commercial license. It is actually an overly restrictive clause which limits its redistribution ability and disallows you to make ANY form of money off the project (even donations). I also plan to make other games based on Red Eclipse in the future and release them on Steam so I can make an actual living with this game development stuff.

The readme you've included is nothing more than an email conversation and does not include the license or information on where to find the license. Yes, I checked. The only way I even found the original site was because you used his contact form and the software put the URL in the email message.

From the license: prohibited is use "in any manner that is primarily intended for or directed toward commercial advantage or private monetary compensation".
I read that as allowing donations, especially if the money isn't used for personal use (i.e. you can't use it for beer money :P). It would, however, surely prohibit Quin's selling a project including it on Steam.

Also, what is the problem with the ND clause? From the license: "The above rights include the right to make such modifications as are technically necessary to exercise the rights in other media and formats".
I'm not sure what other derivations/adaptions (if any) you'd need to make.

Of course, one could always obtain a waiver from the licensor to waive the NC or ND clauses or any other part of the license... (This part is addressed to both of you.)

i dont think i would like to sell it if that is what you mean. But after all, Yves Allaire is the original designer of the textures, so i think quin should contact him if he wants to include textures of the evil-packs.

Wouldnt mind to get any money for the textures that i modified to normal and heightmaps, that seems fair to me :P (this isnt the case at the "eX_texture_pack", because there i only packaged the textures and added the config file for a smoother connection to cube engine 2).

In my opinion, ND is not in the proper spirit of Open Source. We decided when we forked that nobody will place limitations on what we can do with the project (and the content therein) ever again; every bit of Red Eclipse is free to use and modify, thus fostering even more of the open source values. It also ensures we are able to make it into distributions/websites which maintain strict licensing policies (eg. Debian, Wikipedia, etc).

Unfortunately, as much as I would like to say 100% of the donations go back into the project directly, they do not. I often use them for other purposes (like when I did the fundraiser to buy a new computer), and even to supplement my minuscule income when times are tough (I will pay bills or buy food with it, for example). In RE the donations are there to help me be able to maintain a constant presence on the project (and in this community in general), for without them I would most surely have to give that up (if only in part).

I didn't mean to spark a debate on licensing, I just wanted to point out that I was looking at putting these textures into Red Eclipse, but was not provided with enough information before I went ahead and wasted bandwidth downloading them. Plus it's kind of a rule on Quadropolis that you provide correct license descriptions.

i agree, but sometimes license can be pretty mixed up and sometimes, things in a license can be taken on different ways.
So whats the problem now with the license?

edit:
The texture pack has been updated again!

Quinn, if your still interested into the texture pack and your sure you want to include into a game like red eclipse, i could ask Yves Allaire if hes fine with taking away the ND in the license (of course feel free to contact him by your own, "yves@evillair.net")...

It's okay, we're not in any desperate need for them. If he was willing to remove NC/ND that would be great, but I'm guessing he released them that way for a reason.